Online horrors

[ubeaut]

I've been locked down now for 22 weeks and over the past few days I've been having a look at a few YouTube videos of woodturning.

I have seen a number of pretty good ones but there are a lot of not so good un out there which I hope novices don't watch and think it's the right thing to do.

Just watched a chap turn an odd shaped piece of wood into a very ordinary epoxy and wood vessel.

Using a spindle gouge and small square scraper. His tool-rest was about 100mm (4") from the work piece which was fine for the start of roughing as the piece was way out of round. However he continued on with turning the rest of the outside with the same spindle gouge and the tool rest now at around 150mm (5") from the work not only that but his gloved hand was holding the too shaft but had no contact with the tool rest and as they appeared to be grip glover had he contacted the tool rest his hand wouldn't have slid along it to guide the tool properly.

He got the shape he wanted but wasn't pretty to watch and I kept waiting for the massive dig in that fortunately didn't happen. Phew... :duck:

Next came the inside drill a centre hole with a forstner bit, fair-enough. Then with tool-rest at 100mm away from the face spindle gouge firmly in hand and hand another 50-75mm away from the tool-rest he started to turnout the inside roughly then used a small square scraper approx 12mm wide to rip out more of the inside whilst the tool rest was still same distance away from the work and the tool was hanging at least 150+mm over the front of the rest and still no hand on the rest to help steady and guide the tool and the cut.

And he still didn't have a dig-in lots of bouncing about of the tool(s).

Left me a bit gobsmacked. Had any of my students done that I would have been horrified as would the rest of them in the class.

At the very least new turners should learn how to sharpen and use the basic tools correctly and safely and not be taught by some tool who thinks they know what they are doing, when often they don't have a clue. If you want to find out if they are any good ask them to sharpen a spindle gouge freehand without the use of a jig.

If the gouge has a single clean cut bevel from one side to another you take notice of that person. If it has more facets on it than a diamond, walk away and ask someone else to do the same test. Sooner or later you might be lucky enough to find the right person.

I didn't wait to see the full finishing process saw a little bit and turned it off. Otherwise it might have raised my ire. :o

Years ago new turners got a lot of their info from the Guru in the club probably many still do. However unless you we lucky enough to have the likes of Vic Wood, Ken Wraite, Steven Hughes or any of the other amazing top Aussie turners in the club, the Guru usually turned out to be not quite as Guruish as he/you thought he was.

Now many are getting their basic info from the internet and yes there are some brilliant turners out there doing great videos. But from what I've see the ordinary and bad ones far outweigh the good'uns.

Anyway the above are just my observations. What ever you don't let what I've said dampen your enthusiasm. Turning's a great hobby/past-time/profession/joy. Embrace it, have fun with it and at all times stay safe with it.

Cheers - Neil

[Oldmeadow]

Well said!

I'm a youngish guy and am becoming increasingly aware of haphazardry on YouTube. I watch it a lot for ideas and inspiration however I am fortunately learning enough now to stop watching a few minutes into many videos. Even some professionals have some interesting (sometimes disturbing) quirks in their techniques that could easily lead to disaster.

At the start of this year I had a relatively minor but still painful freak accident in which a thick and heavy piece of oak that was learning 'securely' against a shelf was nicked by the bottom of a bag that I had grabbed from a shelf above it. It proceeded to fall between my legs after I had turned around and knocked the nail off my big toe. Thankfully there is no permanent damage however it was yet again another lesson of the value of being as careful and thoughtful as possible. I have since worn steel caps boots almost everywhere. And to think that I used to do some woodwork in thongs! (flip flops for any Americans!!)

I try and search for safety tips regularly to enhance my knowledge and actually listen to the tips of the 'oldies' at the club.

I feel sad for the loss of hands-on tool knowledge that seems to be happening with so many cabinet and grinding shops etc closing down.

[Richard Hodsdon]

Well put, and wholeheartedly agree with you.
Just because you have a lathe, camera doesn't make you a woodturning guru. Another thing that gets my ire up is the poor design of the bowls especially on Facebook. Maybe what we need is some of the great turners doing a couple of posts on what a well designed bowl should look like. Everybody is too frightened to do constructive criticism in case they get banned for being a FB troll

Richard

[China]

I learnt woodturning at trade school back in the early seventies as a post trade course (Cabinet maker) so as to gain my furnishing trade certificate, I agree some of the stuff on you tube is really scary, if I had practised some of the things you see on youtube I would have been told leave the building
I sharpen by hand always have, I was given jig some years ago it is still in its box, never got around to setting it up

[ubeaut]

Everybody is too frightened to do constructive criticism in case they get banned for being a FB troll

New turners like anyone learning something new need encouragement. However, they also need a bit of honest constructive criticism.

I haven't really got in and viewed a lot of posts/threads in Woodturning Forum for some time now, but when I had the time and energy, for a few years I read most of them. But after 21 years of the forums I really don't have the time to do what I used to in the early days of the forums.
:ranton:
What I used to see often was someone post a photo of a very ordinary turned item with pick-out and sometimes dirt from sanding sealed into the pick-out and with a heavy coat of beeswax. No one mentioned how horrible it was but said things like wow good job, that's beautiful, great job, etc. etc.

No one was game to offer any critical help for fear of being shouted down or offending the poster. When or if someone ever offered/suggested helpful criticism others criticised the person offering the criticism. Even had the criticised poster criticise the criticiser as being unfairly critical of their work.

Years ago AWTEX (Australian Wood Turning Exhibition) and others used to jury out items that weren't up to scratch, mostly to make judging quicker and easier. I have judged a number of times and found things in the open section that would have been juried out of the novice section at the earlier exhibitions.

At the T&WWWShow (Timber & Working With Wood show) in Sydney many years ago I was asked by a woodturning club to give them an honest opinion of their work and stand. I asked if they wanted me to be honest or just comment. Honest, please, brutally honest. I suggested that there were about 3 items on the stand that they should keep and the rest did nothing for promoting woodturning or their club. I was told they wanted everyone to be able to have a go and exhibit their work. I suggested they have a look at the woodcarvers group behind them also other turning groups and quality of work which was professional and on the whole of high standard.

I went back to my stand and continued setting up when I saw Chris our demonstrator over on their stand. When he returned I asked what was going on and he said they wanted an honest criticism of their work and stand. He told them they should keep 3 or 4 items and probably take the rest to the tip.

A few minutes later we both looked across at their stand and there was a huddle of what we presumed, was anger/upset gentlemen, and every now and then a person would pop up out of the huddle, glaring and pointing in our direction.

I believe they sold very little at that show, but the next year turned up with a way better display and much, much better work and from then on had way better sales and enrolments.

My thought is "if you wouldn't be prepared to pay good money for it in a shop then it's not good enough."

Take honest constructive critical for what it is "help", and not as a put down. If you can't do that continue turning and enjoying what you do and give your items to friends and family who say they like it. They'll either display it proudly or bring it out whenever they know you're coming to visit.

Sorry for the protracted rant, but it's a bit like we've turned into a society who praise the also rans probably because there are no winners or losers in schools any more and every one must get a ribbon or medal for competing. Unless you're an Olympian then you get great adulation if you win, called a loser if you place and useless if you don't place even though you're competing against the worlds best. Sad but mostly/often true.
:rantoff:

[clear out]

A while ago an Oz woodturner of UK origin was in Canada and was asked what he thought of the display the local turners club had organised.
He stood up before the multitude and said. “I see before me acres of dross”.
They ran him out of town on a rail. ( It was a western province).

I was giving same gentleman a lift back to his workshop after we had both had pieces rejected from a Sydney Exhibition.
I was pretty ticked off as my piece was good enough for Fine Woodworking Design book 4?
Also made a design article alongside Mark Newson in a local publication.
The Woodies who ran the club where a tad conservative design wise.
Mike said not to worry about it as,
“I’ve been thrown out of much better exhibitions than that Henry”.
I think his rejected piece was an elephant’s foot or maybe ‘Sturt’s desert pee’.:o

At a furniture exhibition in the ACT a hi profile Pom guru took out top award for a lounge where his signature minofibre filament seat covering and wood movement had lifted one leg an inch off the deck. The minions just oohed a aahed cos George had made it so it must be perfect.

So yeah let’s have some honest crit but ‘those who throw stones’.

Not sure I’ve seen much design as such on this forum in any area.

Theres a crazy Kiwi and an ex panelbeater in Vic that tickle my fancy.

H.

[ubeaut]

Design isn't everything but it definitely helps.

Design, form, execution and finish are all pretty high on the list.

However I have see some pretty poorly designed work by even top turners that has been extremely well executed and finished that I may want to own.

On the other hand I've see some excellently designed and executed work with amazing form, that up close still had pockmarks from a poorly executed last minute coat of sanding sealer, in an exhibition by one of Australias' most awarded turners. A great finish to match a great piece could have seen it win him Best of Show without a doubt.

:U

[lovetoride]

Years ago new turners got a lot of their info from the Guru in the club probably many still do. However unless you we lucky enough to have the likes of Vic Wood, Ken Wraite, Steven Hughes or any of the other amazing top Aussie turners in the club, the Guru usually turned out to be not quite as Guruish as he/you thought he was.


Cheers - Neil

We are lucky enough to have Richard Raffan as our resident Guru. We had an adhoc 1 hour demo yesterday at the Shed on re-chucking and re-turning roughed out bowls, working with natural edges, different ways to use scroll chucks and jam chucks and turning bowls between centres.
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[clear out]

I was working out of a mates shop in Fyshwick in ‘84 and he was mates with Richard.
A real gent, happy to share and help anyone.
You guys have a real guru there.
H

[powderpost]

Bludy hell Neil, you must be in the horrors, up at 12:54 am.

Jim

[brainstrust]

For us still "developing" it would be nice to have a list of regular youtube broadcasters who have nice technique. Anyone wanna share? :;

[Mobyturns]

For us still "developing" it would be nice to have a list of regular youtube broadcasters who have nice technique. Anyone wanna share? :;


Forget the Youtube cowboys, stick with videos from proven demonstrators such as Glen Lucas, Stuart Batty, the late Alan Batty for technique.

[ubeaut]

Bludy hell Neil, you must be in the horrors, up at 12:54 am.Jim

Hahaha....:lolabove:

Nup was waiting on urgent/important reply to email from Canada re Dangerous Goods 24 hr Emergency Phone contact. Unfortunately have to do a lot of business overnight if I need to contact the USA, Canada and sometimes Europe even later in the night/morning. Got what I needed at 01:47 am, responded and went to bed around 02:10 am then up again at 06:00 am for another email that now means we can get our order off to Canada tomorrow/today Monday.

These late night contacts have been going on since last Wednesday trying to get what I needed done. Unfortunately it's not always easy or convenient dealing with overseas orders when you need important stuff done at their end in a hurry and everyone who has the authority is off on holidays. Still waiting on more info but at least we can now move a pallet of product out Monday which has been sitting on the factory floor for a couple of weeks.
Means we can also get paid this week.https://www.ubeaut.biz/woohoo.gif

Cheers :yawn:
:sleep6:

[Lyle]

While I agree with a lot of the comments expressed here, I am also dismayed by some.
I struggle with turning. My skill is slowly getting better by asking for feedback and help with how to use the tools and finishes etc.
However a lot of people give their opinions without any basis of knowledge or experience.
Form function design finish all play into the finished article.
Too many people are biased by one particular turner, material, finish, style.
Competitions judged by non-turners are not productive to anyone.
Finding people to give honest unbiased experrienced critiques is important, but hard to find those people sometimes.
Lyle

[riverbuilder]

Well said!

I'm a youngish guy and am becoming increasingly aware of haphazardry on YouTube. I watch it a lot for ideas and inspiration however I am fortunately learning enough now to stop watching a few minutes into many videos. Even some professionals have some interesting (sometimes disturbing) quirks in their techniques that could easily lead to disaster.

At the start of this year I had a relatively minor but still painful freak accident in which a thick and heavy piece of oak that was learning 'securely' against a shelf was nicked by the bottom of a bag that I had grabbed from a shelf above it. It proceeded to fall between my legs after I had turned around and knocked the nail off my big toe. Thankfully there is no permanent damage however it was yet again another lesson of the value of being as careful and thoughtful as possible. I have since worn steel caps boots almost everywhere. And to think that I used to do some woodwork in thongs! (flip flops for any Americans!!)

I try and search for safety tips regularly to enhance my knowledge and actually listen to the tips of the 'oldies' at the club.

I feel sad for the loss of hands-on tool knowledge that seems to be happening with so many cabinet and grinding shops etc closing down.
store timber horizontally, it can’t fall, and it stays straight.

[ubeaut]

Replies inline below.


While I agree with a lot of the comments expressed here, I am also dismayed by some.

I struggle with turning. My skill is slowly getting better by asking for feedback and help with how to use the tools and finishes etc.
Fastest and best way to learn (if you can afford it) is to have a lesson or 2 with an experienced turner who's proficient in teaching. Particularly learn how to sharpen the tools and how to make them cut correctly once you've got that sorted out practise, practise, practise. Unfortunately most of the woodturning weekends are shut down for the rest of this year but if you ever get a chance, DUTA (Down Under Turn Around) is a great weekend where you can do your own thing and usually get the benefit of a number of top turners who will be more than happy to help if you ask. There are other such events around Australia and many will a let you know when they're coming up, on here.
However a lot of people give their opinions without any basis of knowledge or experience.
True that..... Nup don't like it, too thick, too thin, too big, too red. That's lovely dear does it come in pink. :C

Form function design finish all play into the finished article.
They do especially if you're looking to sell or entering an exhibition.

Too many people are biased by one particular turner, material, finish, style.
That's also pretty well true. Ideally isolate yourself and do your own thing, Maybe see what others do and either try to improve on their work or change it to your liking and style. Hero worshipping does nothing for you other than give you someone or something to fixate on and may make you feel inferior.

Find your own style, be it dead simple but well executed, or really over the top fancy, but what ever you do, do it to as high a standard as you can. If you keep trying to be better you eventually will be and you may not even notice how long it took or how hard it was because you were having fun getting there and loving the journey.

Competitions judged byy non-turners are not productive to anyone.
In all the years of AWTEX I can only remember one where there was a couple of non woodturner judging. I remember it well as I was one of the experienced judges. One was a bloke no one knew who rushed through all the items, an left about an hour after starting the main judging (usually a 2-4 hour job) One particular piece that all judges bar two thought would win best of show didn't even get a looking. The 2nd non turner judge was a professional JEWELERY judge and had no idea of judging woodturning. She looked at what should have been the best piece, said I don't like that and chose a turned bowl with carves and painted leaves because it was what she liked. It was a nice bowl but not worthy of a top place. So to my knowledge there were only 2 non turners that judge at only one exhibition over a period of around 20 years.

Finding people to give honest unbiased experrienced critiques is important, but hard to find those people sometimes.
There are plenty on here but most don't give honest critiques for fear of upsetting people and maybe losing a potentially good member or even turning them off turning. Especially if it's a pretty harsh critique.

The best person to critique your work should be you. I was a professional woodcarver and turner for well over 30 years and I was always my harshest critique of my work. Never 100% happy with what I'd done. Those I sold to couldn't find fault and willingly paid up to a few thousand dollars for my work. I can actually recall being 100% happy with anything I made even though there were never any faults and everything was always spot on and perfect there was always that niggling feeling that I could have done something different or better or.....

If I was to see any of my work now I'd probably say wow that's brilliant - perfect. But all I ever see are the 10 minute quickies knocked up at a demo. Like the ones below.
Lyle

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[Fumbler]

As for the "specialist turners/wood workers", posting things on youtube, unfortunately there is no control over content, and as such, any muppet with a lathe can throw something up, hoping to get more views and make a buck the easy way as they wouldn't be able to sell their stuff to make money. They should count themselves lucky that no one injures themselves (by seeing what they are doing wrong) then sues either Youtube or the poster for following their crazy actions.

I might have turned a few things but i still consider myself a novice, and often refer to a book on wood turning i bought (Phil Irons -two books in one), but i also use youtube to see something in action, and the more i view, the more i come to realize who are the kosher turners and who's a dangerous muppet. I can't say i have seen the particular video you are talking about, but early on it was a bit confusing wondering if this guy is doing it right or did it just turn out right through sheer luck.

I also love those wonderful workers plying their trade in thongs, they are gold.

[ubeaut]

Speaking of working in thongs. Over the last month or so I've derived great pleasure from watching some of the Japanese and Chinese Masters woodworkers painstaking doing their work. Sitting on the floor, holding work down with a foot (often bare footed or wearing traditional Japanese Tabi footwear) or a hand whilst making exacting cuts for joints with razor sharp tools. There is almost a serine beauty in what they do.

I have been fascinated by some of the exacting repetition turning done on crude lathes (by our standards) with tools often make for them selves to use for a specific job. Again, all whilst sitting on the floor and with amazing precision.

if you haven't seen any of these I highly recommend them for a bit of a look. You won't be disappointed.

Takes me back to when I started turning with a way less crude lathes but still a far cry from the lathes of today.

Cheers - Neil :U

PS Still have a small treadle lathe from the 1930 and the head and tail stock from the lathe that was supposed to have turned the plinth for the (English made) first Melbourne Cup back in i867. I believe that lath was brought out from England 2nd hand around 1860. There was supposed to be paperwork on its history when I purchased it from a deceased estate back in early 1970 but it couldn't be found.

[Allan at Wallan]

Ken Wraight, a member of our Northern Woodturning Club, was holding a group session in which I was participating. At one stage he heard a decent
catch on my lathe. Politely he walked over and said, "Do you know what you did wrong Al". I answered, "Yes Ken". "Ok", he said, "Don't do it again".
At that stage I was paranoid that I might get another catch and that I had not learned a thing.
To this day I am haunted by the fact that it would have been better to admit my error and learn something from a master turner.
I thank Ken for his contribution to the club and feel sure the overall standard of woodturning has improved because of his expertise.

[Brenton Stein]

Maybe we don't get quality turners on youtube because from what I have heard they are not welcome on the demonstrators circuit especially in the US.

[China]

Today I went to local farmers market, there happened to be a young fellow turning simple items for sale naturally I stood around for a bit, he was turning things like honey dippers, for which he had a multi blade cutter made up to cut the flutes, and then moved on to small bowels still using a spindle gouge.
When there was no one watching I spoke to him and explained that it is inherently dangerous, and that one day he may have a nasty mishap. (this bloke was not old enough to have been woodturning as long as I have)
Well apparently that is old school technology and these days we know that is does not make any real difference as to the chisel used and if I had the amount of experience that he has I would know this. So I guess I must be out of touch.

[LanceC]

..., and then moved on to small bowels still using a spindle gouge.
When there was no one watching I spoke to him and explained that it is inherently dangerous, and that one day he may have a nasty mishap.

Could you please expand on this? As a beginner turner I'd like to understand what makes this inherently dangerous. Given a small bowl and for example, a half inch spindle gouge, is it the lack of tool strength that is the issue?

I understand that a spindle roughing gauge is a no-no, but don't think that is what you are referring to here.

[Brenton Stein]

I can't see the problem with using a spindle gouge on a bowl, particularly the outside. I use them all the time and it ain't dangerous IMHO. Apologies to Admin for getting off topic.

[Mobyturns]

Maybe we don't get quality turners on youtube because from what I have heard they are not welcome on the demonstrators circuit especially in the US.

Hmm, that's a pretty broad statement. Not sure that the AAW would agree as,

Stuart Batty, who is probably one of the best as far as an experienced and very technically competent turner / demonstrator, for example was listed as a 2020 Louisville Demonstrator.

Simon Begg from Australia, also listed for 2020, is a very promising emerging talent as a demonstrator and is posting very good demos on social media.

Ashley Harwood, a student of Stuart Batty, again very competent & active on social media, & Youtube.

Emma Cook, aka The Tiny Turner, very competent & active on social media, & Youtube.

Glen Lucas .....

[chambezio]

I built my lathe about 40 years ago. It started off "crude" but I have been able to build in some better refinements. OK I can turn wood.....but I don't regard myself as a "Wood Turner". Why? I think that my results are never as good/perfect as I would like (Neil alluded to this state of mind). I may not touch the lathe for months at a time but then may use it daily for a few weeks, in between other pressing jobs. A mate taught me the basics of stick welding 45 years ago(gee I'm getting old) He would give a very harsh critique of my welds. You know even to this day I still go over my welds in detail and I am still hard on myself.

It probably comes down to what standard you allow your self to be at and whether or not you can "live" with the results. A lot of what I have turned has been given away so there isn't a whole lot on exhibition on shelves in the house. I do like the challenge of "taming" a piece of timber and making a variety of stuff further extending my skills (and competing with myself). My wife gets annoyed when I produce something and I comment "its OK but"
I will get off my soap box and blend into the crowd

PS You Tube videos of someone cutting, drilling,grinding etc etc bore me to tears. Or there is some one who drones on and on and produces a mediocre job at the end. There should be a penalty for these people who waste time like that

[Shyrat]

Fastest and best way to learn (if you can afford it) is to have a lesson or 2 with an experienced turner who's proficient in teaching.

Any recommendations for private lessons in Melbourne Neil?

Obviously it would have to wait until lockdown ends, but as a cabinet maker I bought a lathe a while ago and have taught myself so that I'm proficient enough to turn things I need for furniture and cabinetry like handles, feet etc.

I would really like to get better at bowl turning in particular and I have no doubt that a couple of lessons would advance my skills far beyond what they would just by watching YouTube videos.

Cheers,

Sam

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[Fergiz01]

What's the consensus on Rob Cosman's recent videos on learning to use the skew chisel and spindle gauge? Good advise for a novice turner to attempt to emulate? Cheers, Zac

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[Brenton Stein]

Average. He takes way too long to actually spin a piece of wood (it's approx 12 min in before there is any action) and only seems to know the basics of the skew. There is a lot he didn't show, in particular the scenariaos to avoid. A lot can go wrong when using the skew and he didn't show any of this. And finishing the sharpening process with a diamond pad is a waste of time. But there was some good stuff.

[Oldmeadow]

Does anyone have further recommendations for online learning resources that ARE good?

I noted "Glen Lucas, Stuart Batty, the late Alan Batty" mentioned near the beginning of this threat. I searched those ones up and saw a lot of long form videos that appear fantastic.

Are there other threads with this information? I'd love to learn more.

Thanks in advance!

[Shyrat]

Average. He takes way too long to actually spin a piece of wood (it's approx 12 min in before there is any action) and only seems to know the basics of the skew. There is a lot he didn't show, in particular the scenariaos to avoid. A lot can go wrong when using the skew and he didn't show any of this. And finishing the sharpening process with a diamond pad is a waste of time. But there was some good stuff.Have you watched any of the videos on Instagram from @Stevethewoodturner s production turner and an absolute master of the skew. Doesn't do any How to videos, but I've learnt a lot just by watching his work.

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[ubeaut]

Some 25 0dd years ago when we used to do the Working with Wood Shows I would turn a bowl inside and out in around 15 minutes maybe or there about. Then came the sanding and finishing which I was really there to demonstrate, but after all that time watching the turning the punters walked away as they'd had enough. Those were really quickly turned and bloody good bowls, but the finishing.... the most important part just didn't seem to be of interest.

After the same thing happening a number of times I decided to take a new course of action. Instead of turning a whole bowl I turned what approximated the outside of a bowl. I sanded and finished one of these in around 2 - 3 minutes from start to brilliant gloss finish, off the lathe and into the hands of the audience.

Boy did that help with sales and stop hundreds of stupid questions.
Have included a couple of pics below.

Fully turned bowl demo (full time blank to fully finish including sanding stain and finishing around 30 minutes)
Quick demo (remove old finish, sand to 1200 grit, apply EEE-Ultra Shine then Shellawax around 3 minutes, tops)


I think a few Youtubers need to take a look at speeding up their demos. I get that they want you to see the entire process but after the first 10 min it gets to be a bit on the boring side and many will fast forward through sections and on to the last 5 minutes to see what it ended up like.

I recall a set of (I think) 3 videos by a very well known woodturner that went on for ever and ever and many people watching them falling to sleep part way through the first one.

I was told a story of one lady who's husband never got past the first 10 minutes or so without falling asleep. After doing this a number of times, she waited until the next time he sat down to watch it again. As per multiple other times he was out to it shortly after the first video started. She let him sleep on and whilst he snored his way through the session she put the last video video into the machine and fast forwarded it to almost the end then made a loud noise that woke her husband, who then watched the last minute or so of the final video.

She said OK that's the last time I'm going to let you watch all those 3 videos. They are no longer allowed to be played on this machine. You've seen them all now and that's enough. With that she took the last video out put it in its box and took the full set away and gave it to his woodworking club.

Below
Fully turned and finished
RIGHT: quick demo

Both show the finish one takes forever 30min or so. The other takes 3min and no one falls asleep or gets bored.
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[LanceC]

I think a few Youtubers need to take a look at speeding up their demos. I get that they want you to see the entire process but after the first 10 min it gets to be a bit on the boring side and many will fast forward through sections and on to the last 5 minutes to see what it ended up like.

As someone who recently started turning, I found great short form content from M. Saban Smith and Mike Waldt, but with the lock-down in the UK, their video length has exploded to more often than not between 60-90 minutes. Some over two hours long. It's just too hard to find the valuable insights over that period of time.

Upon consideration, it's not the time that's the issue, but rather stretching out ten minutes of content into an hour. I used to watch hour after hour of Paul Sellers making a single project. The difference for me though was that there is a good hours worth of content in a hour's video.

Great idea on adapting your presentation to the quick-form.

[Chesand]

Any recommendations for private lessons in Melbourne Neil?

I have no doubt that a couple of lessons would advance my skills far beyond what they would just by watching YouTube videos.

Cheers,

Sam

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Andrew Potocnik gives lessons either in his workshop or he will come to you. He lives in the Eltham/Macleod area so it might depend on where you are situated. He has an article in the current Aust Wood Review. I won't put his email in here but if you can't find him on Google, send me a PM.
I did a CAE night course of about 8 weeks with him some 24 years ago. He usually demonstrates for Timbecon at the Wood Show.

No affiliation just a satisfied student.

[Shyrat]

Andrew Potocnik gives lessons either in his workshop or he will come to you. He lives in the Eltham/Macleod area so it might depend on where you are situated. He has an article in the current Aust Wood Review. I won't put his email in here but if you can't find him on Google, send me a PM.
I did a CAE night course of about 8 weeks with him some 24 years ago. He usually demonstrates for Timbecon at the Wood Show.

No affiliation just a satisfied student.Funny you should say that, I messaged him on Instagram a few weeks ago but haven't heard back.

I'll try getting in touch via his website, thanks very much.

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